Rallin MM-sarja vuodesta 1973 alkaen

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Selvittelin tässä RAC-rallin reittiä vuodelta 1976 (kun on käyty ihan Englannin lounaiskärjessä) ja vastaan tuli tämä Motorsport Magazinen artikkeli jossa on kirjoitettu tunteikkaasti rallin popularisoitumisesta myös rahvaan huviksi ja vaatimusta saada enemmän yleisölle sallittuja pätkiä, kun oli sattunut onnettomuus, jossa auto ajoi yleisöön

One year ago, we began our review of the 1975 RAC Rally with a discourse about the tremendous following which the sport of rallying has in Britain and the vast crowds of spectators who go out into cold, damp, foggy, frosty, November nights to watch that event pass through remote forests. We spoke of the change in the nature of these spectators, of how at one time they were invariably enthusiasts who knew about map references, approach directions, white road goers and roadbook diagrams, and of how the sport’s popularity has so increased that nowadays the crowds are made up of all manner of people, most with no inside knowledge of the sport and who go along for the excitement just as those who have never clipped on a pair of skis might watch the Winter Olympics.

We now find ourselves tempted to begin this review of the 1976 rally in a similar ways though not in the sensationalist style employed by some of the non-sporting press.

There was a time when all spectators were hardy, knowledgeable. enthusiasts. They could be trusted not to get mixed up with rally traffic, not to cause unnecessary congestion on narrow roads leading to forests, to park their cars sensibly and, perhaps most important, to take up vantage points within the forests in places well out of range of cars which might leave the road suddenly and at pretty high speed.

In those days the locations of the special stages were not kept secret. A day or two before the rally they were available to all, and the spectating public were able, quite unintentionally of course, to scatter themselves all over the country without being concentrated in any one stage in particular.

But as the event’s popularity grew, the organisers began to worry more and more about stage access roads being blocked by spectator traffic. Eventually they began to keep stage locations secret, the idea being to confine spectators to those stages where there was ample parking facilities and enough access roads to prevent competitors becoming snarled up with spectators.

This secrecy is a practice which we have always been against, for it always presents a challenge and one invariably gets groups of spectators driving around looking for the secret stages and often getting in the way. There are those enthusiasts, of course, who know where to go anyway. Far better for all concerned would be a completely open route with precise instructions on how to get to the various points and specific information concerning the places where access would be almost impossible. All too often Belgrave Square remains clammed up, and this is just one instance of how that attitude has adverse effects.

The object of the secrecy was to prevent congestion, but it also had a result which was not foreseen as something potentially dangerous, but which has shown up as a great risk indeed. As crowds became bigger, the proportion of non-enthusiast watchers with little or no inside knowledge of the sport increased accordingly. To a competitor this became more noticeable rally after rally, for no longer were the spectators lining the forest tracks confining themselves to safe vantage points behind the tree lines. They began standing on the outside of bends, in the middle of firebreaks which served as natural escape roads, on log piles which can so easily erupt almost explosively even if just brushed by a tailswinging car, in ditches which are often used for extra camber and even on the very edges of the tracks themselves. No longer were these watchers prepared for the sudden commotion caused by a car leaving the road and performing all manner of unexpected acrobatics before coming to rest. They didn’t have the survival instinct of the enthusiast and were positioning themselves in places which could only be described as suicidal.

As the popularity of the RAC Rally increased, so these things would have happened anyway, but they were accelerated without doubt by the policy of secrecy adopted by the rally organisers, albeit without their realising it of course. Send a million spectators to watch fifty special stages and in theory you need have no more than 20,000 at each stage. But keep all but ten of those stages secret and you at once create artificial concentrations which will produce crowds of 100,000 at the disclosed stages. Bear in mind that a substantial proportion of those crowds will know little about the sport and you will see that the problem of crowd control becomes enormous.

During the RAC Rally the kind of incident which everyone fears actually happened. For a car to leave the road on a special stage is nothing, for it happens all the time and the crews at once set about getting back on to the road and carrying on. But this particular departure from the road took place on a corner at which spectators were standing in packed rows along both sides of the road, on the outside and inside of the corner, and occupying the only space available as an escape avenue. With no blame whatsoever attached to himself, the driver lost adhesion, slid outwards and went straight into the crowd, causing several people to be taken away for medical treatment and the stage to be held up and subsequently abandoned.

True to form, some newspapers and even radio and television made on outcry, the wood for the time being taking absolute precedence over the trees, and there were even questions in the House. Various ways of keeping spectators away from danger zones have been put forward, but we feel that if more stages were made public there would be less funnelling and subsequently crowds of lesser proportions in any one place. What should not be forgotten is that once a massive spectacle is created it is virtually impossible to keep people away from it, so it cannot be said that the vast crowds took anyone by surprise. Furthermore, is it not still a principle of law that people are assumed to have intended the natural consequences of their own acts? That would appear to create a two-pronged onus.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/january-1977/24/rally-review-january-1977/
 

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Ja näköjään vuonna 1977 on käyty myös keskustelua siitä että rallin järjestäminen on kallista

Another point concerning spectators relate to the cost of running the RAC Rally. The Forestry Commission levies a charge on rally organisers for the use of forest roads special stages. This came about when it was realised that the passage of car after high-speed car tends to rut the surfaces, but the charge has been increased several times and it now stands at 42p per mile per car which starts the rally. The RAC Rally had 425 forest miles, which works out at a fee of more than £32,000. It is a crippling charge which some say is quite outrageous since it is likely that routine road reinstatement work in the forests is probably left until after the rally anyway. Most certainly without the financial backing of Lombard North Central the rally could not take place.

The situation is very strange. The country’s most prestigious event brings in valuable foreign exchange, adds much to the Exchequer in the form of taxes and provides a world-wide shop window for Britain’s motor industry –a British car has won on the past six occasions. Nevertheless it has to run without any form of government support whatsoever, and is actually made to pay for the privilege of taking place. Although the Forestry Commission is run as a company, and therefore has to make a profit, it is owned by the State and it would be very easy to carry out a paper transfer of funds to so that this fine event could be subsidised, not by the injection of hard cash but by the removal of a financial drain. Ata the same time the Forestry Commission would not have a debit on its books.

The whole tings is really a very complex endless chain; rallying creates a spectacle–it therefore attracts sponsors–it costs money and the sponsors provide some of it–the spectacle attracts crowds–the organisers have to cater for them –that adds to the organisation headaches–and also adds to the cost. It’s a circle which is by no means vicious, but one could say that a fine event is running the risk of strangulation by its own benevolence. Other countries charge spectators admission to the forests, and the money obtained goes partly to the landowners and partly to the rally organisers. In Britain, private landowners do charge admission fees, but the only charges at forests are for parking. If parking fees were discontinued and individual entrance fees charged instead, perhaps some of the difficulty would be overcome. People might have something to say about paying to get on to public-owned land where rights of way often exist, but they would surely not object to paying to see a spectacle which they obviously enjoy, thus contributing towards the cost of that spectacle.
 

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Ompa hyviä uutisia MM-sarjasta. Meidän Sinivalkoinen ralliselostaja Juho Kokko kertoo että 2,4 miljoonaa ihmistä seurasi MTV3 kanavan lähetyksiä edellisellä kaudella.

Näköjään rallin siirtyminen mtv:lle olikin loistaca uutinen verrattuna yleen vaikka moni pelkäsikin rallin seuraaja määrien laskevan. Kaikki erikoiskokeet Suomen kielellä ja onhan nuo hyviä lukemia! Yleltä kuitenkin tuli vain muutama erikoiskoe…

https://x.com/juhokooo/status/1733869690538123474?s=46
 

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Yle hoiti Suomen osakilpailun vakuuttavasti mutta isossa koko kauden mittakaavassa lähetystuotanto menee 100-0 MTV3:lle. Mielenkiintoisia lukemia vaikka kuinka paljon rallin taantumasta tai kysymysmerkeistä puhutaankaan.
 

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Eikö ole myös outoa laittaa kaksi erilaista tuotetta samaan koriin?

Omaan silmään tähän asti c more ja all livessa ainoa yhtäläisyys ovat itse erikoiskokeet, mutta muuten en all livestä mitään muita yhtäläisyyksiä c moreen löydä.

Voi toki olla että täytyy käydä optikolta hakemassa silmälasit.
 

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Eikö ole myös outoa laittaa kaksi erilaista tuotetta samaan koriin?

Omaan silmään tähän asti c more ja all livessa ainoa yhtäläisyys ovat itse erikoiskokeet, mutta muuten en all livestä mitään muita yhtäläisyyksiä c moreen löydä.

Voi toki olla että täytyy käydä optikolta hakemassa silmälasit.
CMorelta ei tosiaan voi ostaa pelkkää rallia, vaan samassa paketissa tulee paljon muutakin, ja hinta on aika kova. Rally.TV:ssäkin maksaa toki nykään samalla myös ERC:stä ja WRX:stä mutta muuten hinta on edullisempi jos haluaa katsoa pelkkää rallia, ja plussana on sitten vielä onboardit ja arkistomateriaalit.

Mutta jos ihan vaan vertaa sitä katselukokemusta ralliviikonlopulta, niin kyllä CMore ja Rally.TV on aika vertailtavissa olevat tuotteet. Molemmista näkee kaikki pätkät suorana ja pätkien välissä on sitten studiomateriaalia sekä haastatteluja huoltoparkista.
 

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Rally TV:n arkistomateriaali on iso ominaisuus, jota kyllä kaipaisin C Moreen.

C Moren iso valtti on kuitenkin suomalaisuus ja erityisesti selostaja Kokko ja Tuominen kääntävät vaakakupin Rally TV:n tekijöihin verrattuna C Moren laariin. Ylellä toki Tuominen olikin. Lisäksi paneutuvat vahvasti tekniseen puoleen + katsojaluvut lienevät Suomessa ennätystasoa mitä rallia on koskaan katsottu
 

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Rally TV:n arkistomateriaali on iso ominaisuus, jota kyllä kaipaisin C Moreen.

C Moren iso valtti on kuitenkin suomalaisuus ja erityisesti selostaja Kokko ja Tuominen kääntävät vaakakupin Rally TV:n tekijöihin verrattuna C Moren laariin. Ylellä toki Tuominen olikin. Lisäksi paneutuvat vahvasti tekniseen puoleen + katsojaluvut lienevät Suomessa ennätystasoa mitä rallia on koskaan katsottu
Onko rallytv:ssä esim. kaikki kausikoosteet? Jos on niin voisi pelkästään sen takia tilata.
 

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Onko rallytv:ssä esim. kaikki kausikoosteet? Jos on niin voisi pelkästään sen takia tilata.
Tsekkasin juuri niin löytyy 1994, 1995, 2001-2003, 2007-2010 ja 2012 sekä tietty 2014-2022 joista löytyy myös kaikki yksittäisten rallien koosteet, tv-pätkät ja onboardit. Myös jotain yksittäisiä rallikoosteita on vuodelta 2013 ja joitain yksittäisiä historiaspessuja.

Näköjään uutuutena myös Rally.TV on alkanut arkistoimaan All Live -uusintoja vuodelta 2022
 

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Montako lähetystä rallista on syksyn aikana maikkarilta tullut? Pitäisi tietää se, että voisi sanoa tuosta 2,3 miljoonasta yhtään mitään.
 

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Montako lähetystä rallista on syksyn aikana maikkarilta tullut? Pitäisi tietää se, että voisi sanoa tuosta 2,3 miljoonasta yhtään mitään.
Näissä katsojalukutilastoissa on tosiaan aina vähän se ongelma että ei tiedä millä metodilla niitä on laskettu, pelkkä numero ei välttämättä kerro hirveästi mitään. Muistan kun Kyllönen julisti että -98 Suzukan kisaa katsoi 55 miljardia katsojaa. Haluaisin kyllä tietää mitä metodia sen numeron saamiseen oli käytetty.
 
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