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illi
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tämähän se oli mistä minulla on pieni pätkä videokuvaakin.jotenkin tuo muisti vielä pelaa.
Citroen BX 4TC
Specifications:
Citroën BX-4TC
Homologation: 01.10.1986 (B279)
Class: Under 3000cc (2142cc x 1.4 = 2998cc)
Layout: Front Engine (Longetudinal) 4WD)
Engine Specifications:
Engine: 2142c Inline 4 cylinder
Induction: Forced (KKK Type K26 Turbo @ 18psi)
Redline: 8000rpm
Power: 380bhp @ 7000rpm
Torque: 253ft/lbs @ 5500rpm
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Audi Sport Quattro RS 002
Specifications:
Audi Sport Quattro RS 002
Homologation: None - Prototype
Class: Group S
Layout: Mid Engine (Longitudinal), 4WD
Engine: Inline 6 cylinder
Power: 300hp
Lada Samara EVA
Specifications:
Homologation: None - Prototype
Layout: Mid Engine, RWD
Engine Specifications:
Engine: 1860cc Inline 4 cylinder (Zhiguli)
Head: DOHC 16 Valve
Fuel: Electronic
Induction: Forced Turbo
Power: 300hp
Lancia EVC2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7LDUUWVdo
Mitsubishi HKS Starion D404
Specifications:
Homologation: Not Applicable
Weight: 920 kg ( lbs)
Layout: Front Engine (longetudinal), 4WD
Steering: Fuji Heavy Industries Rack & Pinion steering
Engine Specifications:
Engine: 2314cc Inline 4 cylinder (HKS134E destroked 2.6L G54B to 2.3L)
Bore: 91.5mm
Stroke: 88mm
Compression: 12:1
Pistons: HKS custom forged pistons
Head: DOHC 16 valve
Fuel: Two Solex 50mm carburators
Induction: Naturally Aspirated
Power: 276 hp @ 7000 rpm
Torque: 195 ft/lbs @ 5500 rpm
Lubrication: Dry Sump
Cam: HKS custom camshafts (intake = 288° / exhaust = 288°)
Specifications:
Citroën BX-4TC
Homologation: 01.10.1986 (B279)
Class: Under 3000cc (2142cc x 1.4 = 2998cc)
Layout: Front Engine (Longetudinal) 4WD)
Engine Specifications:
Engine: 2142c Inline 4 cylinder
Induction: Forced (KKK Type K26 Turbo @ 18psi)
Redline: 8000rpm
Power: 380bhp @ 7000rpm
Torque: 253ft/lbs @ 5500rpm
Ehkä hienoin kaikista...
Audi Sport Quattro RS 002
Specifications:
Audi Sport Quattro RS 002
Homologation: None - Prototype
Class: Group S
Layout: Mid Engine (Longitudinal), 4WD
Engine: Inline 6 cylinder
Power: 300hp
Lada Samara EVA
Specifications:
Homologation: None - Prototype
Layout: Mid Engine, RWD
Engine Specifications:
Engine: 1860cc Inline 4 cylinder (Zhiguli)
Head: DOHC 16 Valve
Fuel: Electronic
Induction: Forced Turbo
Power: 300hp
Lancia EVC2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7LDUUWVdo
Mitsubishi HKS Starion D404
Specifications:
Homologation: Not Applicable
Weight: 920 kg ( lbs)
Layout: Front Engine (longetudinal), 4WD
Steering: Fuji Heavy Industries Rack & Pinion steering
Engine Specifications:
Engine: 2314cc Inline 4 cylinder (HKS134E destroked 2.6L G54B to 2.3L)
Bore: 91.5mm
Stroke: 88mm
Compression: 12:1
Pistons: HKS custom forged pistons
Head: DOHC 16 valve
Fuel: Two Solex 50mm carburators
Induction: Naturally Aspirated
Power: 276 hp @ 7000 rpm
Torque: 195 ft/lbs @ 5500 rpm
Lubrication: Dry Sump
Cam: HKS custom camshafts (intake = 288° / exhaust = 288°)
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Opel Kadett 4S
Specifications:
Opel Kadette 4S
Homologation: None - Prototype
Class: Group B / Group S
Layout: Front Engine (Longetudinal), 4WD
Transmission: Xtrac
Engine Specifications:
Engine: 1860cc Inline 4 Cylinder (Zakspeed Ford)
Power: 500hp
Toyota MR2 "222D" (1986)
When Toyota realised that the Celica Twincam Turbo wasn't very competitive outside of Africa, Toyota Team Europe (TTE) started work on a new contender - a 600 horsepower Mk 1 MR2. The rally car was codenamed "222D" and was being developed for Group S and possibly Group B. A ground up tube chassis car was constructed. There were three produced, one with the engine mounted transversely with RWD, and two with the engine mounted longitudinally. One of these was RWD while the other was AWD using a custom gearbox manufactured by Xtrac. With 600+hp and AWD, the car resembled the MR2 in appearance only.
These were not true Group S cars however, as the Group S rules limited engine capacity to 1.2L. Instead they were hybrid Group B / Group S cars. One was designed for tarmac rallies, while the other was suited to gravel rallies. All three motors were turbocharged, and had a displacement of 2.0 L. While not known for sure, the engine could have been the either 4T-GTE as used in the celica rally car preceding it, or it possibly could have been the famous 503E used in the GTP cars.
It is rumored that one of these was given to a VIP to drive around during a recent WRC event in Germany. There are recent photos of both a black and a white MR2 assumed to both still be alive. I have read on other sites that 2 of the 3 were destroyed during testing. Who knows what's still out there? One member going by the name of Ralf claims to have spolen on the phone with Mr. Boetcher, the chief of TTE who told him during a telephone call recently that it is possible to buy this car, but he had no idea what it will cost.
Moskvich 2141-KR
Specifications:
Mosskvich 2141-KR
Homologation: None - Prototype
Layout: Mid Engine (Longetudinal), RWD
Top Speed: 125mph
Engine Specifications:
1995cc Inline 4 Cylinder
Induction: Naturally Aspirated
Fuel: Twin Weber Carbs
Power: 175hp
Opel Kadett 4S
Specifications:
Opel Kadette 4S
Homologation: None - Prototype
Class: Group B / Group S
Layout: Front Engine (Longetudinal), 4WD
Transmission: Xtrac
Engine Specifications:
Engine: 1860cc Inline 4 Cylinder (Zakspeed Ford)
Power: 500hp
Toyota MR2 "222D" (1986)
When Toyota realised that the Celica Twincam Turbo wasn't very competitive outside of Africa, Toyota Team Europe (TTE) started work on a new contender - a 600 horsepower Mk 1 MR2. The rally car was codenamed "222D" and was being developed for Group S and possibly Group B. A ground up tube chassis car was constructed. There were three produced, one with the engine mounted transversely with RWD, and two with the engine mounted longitudinally. One of these was RWD while the other was AWD using a custom gearbox manufactured by Xtrac. With 600+hp and AWD, the car resembled the MR2 in appearance only.
These were not true Group S cars however, as the Group S rules limited engine capacity to 1.2L. Instead they were hybrid Group B / Group S cars. One was designed for tarmac rallies, while the other was suited to gravel rallies. All three motors were turbocharged, and had a displacement of 2.0 L. While not known for sure, the engine could have been the either 4T-GTE as used in the celica rally car preceding it, or it possibly could have been the famous 503E used in the GTP cars.
It is rumored that one of these was given to a VIP to drive around during a recent WRC event in Germany. There are recent photos of both a black and a white MR2 assumed to both still be alive. I have read on other sites that 2 of the 3 were destroyed during testing. Who knows what's still out there? One member going by the name of Ralf claims to have spolen on the phone with Mr. Boetcher, the chief of TTE who told him during a telephone call recently that it is possible to buy this car, but he had no idea what it will cost.
Moskvich 2141-KR
Specifications:
Mosskvich 2141-KR
Homologation: None - Prototype
Layout: Mid Engine (Longetudinal), RWD
Top Speed: 125mph
Engine Specifications:
1995cc Inline 4 Cylinder
Induction: Naturally Aspirated
Fuel: Twin Weber Carbs
Power: 175hp
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Porsche 959:hän yksi auto, jota kehitettiin nelivetoineen kaikkineen aikanaan B-ryhmään, mutta lajin kuoltua siitä tehtiin vain siviilipainos. Aikansa nopeimpia autoja silti sekin 450 hv turvin:thumbup: Tuosta olisi varmasti tullut aikamoinen peto..
Niin siitä tulikin Paris - Dakar ralliin....
Eli autolla siis ajettiin rallia kilpaa ja myös osallistuttiin Le Mansin 24h ratakisaan....
Tiedot löytyy ainakin Porsche kirjasta ja Dakar auto löytyy meikäläisen pienoismalli kokoelmastakin...
Että ei se ollut VAIN siviili painos....
Niin siitä tulikin Paris - Dakar ralliin....
Eli autolla siis ajettiin rallia kilpaa ja myös osallistuttiin Le Mansin 24h ratakisaan....
Tiedot löytyy ainakin Porsche kirjasta ja Dakar auto löytyy meikäläisen pienoismalli kokoelmastakin...
Että ei se ollut VAIN siviili painos....
pendellstock
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Joo toi "vain" oli tosiaan vähän liioiteltua, ajettiinhan 959:llä ratakisojakin. Koitin turhan harkitsemattomin sanavalinnoin kertoa, että B-ryhmään ei koskaan (sääli) kerennyt mukaan kun koko sarja lopetettiin "alta".
Toi 959 on muuten hieno esimerkki siitä, miten rallimaailman kehitystyö poiki aikansa hienoimpia teknisiä sovelluksia, jotka sittemmin saatettiin siviiliautoihinkin mukaan=mm. aikalaisekseen kehittynyt 4x4 ja huippujarrut, myös koneesta otettiin huimia litratehoja ulos tuotantopainoksessakin. Ylipäänsä uskomattoman nopea auto nykymittapuinkin.
Harmi, etteivät nykysäännöt salli esim. WRC:ssä tuollaista (aikanaan) innovatiivisuutta enää.
SamiJ
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Yksi vähemmälle huomiolle jääneistä ja erikoisemmista A-ryhmän rallipeleistä oli Audi 200 Quattro eli ns. Lötkö-Audi, jolla Hannu Mikkola ajoi 1987 Safari-rallin (voitto), Akropolis-rallin (3. sija) ja Jyskälän (kesk.). Walter Röhrl ajoi Monten (3. sija), Safari-rallin (2. sija) ja Akropolis-rallin (kesk.).
Tuon kokoisen "lahnan" eteneminen on melko näyttävän näköistä:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1matVP2LPXw#t=1m41s
Tuon kokoisen "lahnan" eteneminen on melko näyttävän näköistä:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1matVP2LPXw#t=1m41s
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Ai juma mitkä äänetkin tuossa on, kunnon matalaa murinaa.
Eikös tuossa ollut vitoskone?
SamiJ
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Ai juma mitkä äänetkin tuossa on, kunnon matalaa murinaa.
Audi 200 Quattro (1987)
Year - 1987
Homologation - Group A
Homologation date - 1.1.1987
ENGINE
Location - Front
Type - Straight-5, Bosch K-Jetronic fuel injection and a KKK turbocharger
Displacement - 2 144 cc
Power output - 238 bhp @ 6 000rpm
Torque - 333 Nm @ 4 000 rpm
MEASUREMENTS
Length - 4 807 mm
Width - 1 814 mm
Wheelbase - 2 687 mm
Weight - 1 250 kg
DRIVETRAIN
Drive - Four-wheel drive
Story: Audi Quattro 200 was a perfect example of a quick response to FIA:s new rules for 1987. The decision to use the big, heavy 200 Quattro as a base was quick , and in retrospect, pretty costly one. Then again, it was also Audi's attitude towards rallying that had changed, and now the priority was more in marketing than in research and development.
The 5 cylinder cast-iron engine block was basically the same one that had been used in the original Quattro, and with one KKK turbocharger it produced 238 bhp. The low power output was caused by FIA:s new rule that pump gasoline had to be used in all rallies, without it 300 bhp limit would easily have been reachable. The gearbox was also a result of group B development, a 6-speed unit which had been used in the Sport Quattro. The original 15 inch wheel size was increased to 16 to accomodate bigger brake discs and also give more grip. For better weight distribution the fuel tank and battery were transferred backwards, and the resulting 59/41 distribution was not that bad considering the heavy engine on the front axle.
In 1987 the "Gentleman's Express", as the car was called in the Audi press office, was driven by old champions Walter Röhrl and Hannu Mikkola. Factory programme was very limited, and only included four rallies. Monte Carlo's third place was largely due to the opposition being even less ready than Audi, but the reliability brought a solid 1-2 in Safari rally, led by Mikkola. This was also the first time ever a 4WD car had won the East-African event. Mikkola also brought a third place in the rough Acropolis Rally, but the car's final showing on world stage in 1000 Lakes ended with a retirement.
Jellinek
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Koskapa tuo Lancia ECV 2 on tuossa näemmä keskeneräisenä, niin laitetaanpa laitteesta kuva kaikessa komeudessaan:Lancia EVC2
Tuossa autossahan oli muuten erikoinen Triflux-moottori, joka olisi ollut mielenkiintoinen nähdä toiminnassa ( http://avs.spot-mate.com/triflux.html )
ja kun näitä tosiharvinaisuuksia nyt ruvettiin kaivamaan, niin otetaanpa sitten lisää noita idän ihmeautoja:
NAMI Apelsin 1 (jollain sivuilla virheellisesti väitetty Lada Tavriaksi)
NAMI Apelsin 2
ZAZ Tavria ORF Mobile
FW08
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Nuo lokarilevikkeet hämäsivät kyllä sen verran, että ei ihan äkkiä Samuraiksi tunnistanut. Näytti lähinnä oudolta versiolta 206:sta.
SamiJ
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Mielenkiintoinen videopätkä löytyi tuosta S-ryhmän Samarasta. Incar-kuvaa Ruuhimäen EK:lta näytösajosta 1987. Aika varovasti tosin ajelee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWx7WK8JS_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWx7WK8JS_Q
Jellinek
Banned
Tuo videopätkä olikin halvatun harvinaista herkkua! :eek!:
Vielä jos saisi nähdä auton menoa ulkoa päin!
Noista protokyhäelmistä jos palataan vaihteeksi maanpinnalle "tavisautoihin", niin en tiennytkään, että Subaru Leonestakin oli ralliversio:
ettelbruck
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Suomessa tuollaisella lykkäsivät esim Risto Buri ja Timo Heinonen. Hyvinkään autokauppias lykkäsi 1989 Jyskälässä kärkiautojen jo varmistellessa viimeiselle EK:lle pohjat kun 'päättivät vielä nostaa sijoitustaan yhdellä' ja ohittivatkin M3:lla ajaneen Marc Duezin.
Maddynen
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http://www.riminituning.it/img/bott/rally/bolidi/foto_max/ecvrossa_1max.jpg
Näyttää jo vähän kiihdytysautolta!
Teholukemat taisi olla jo aika huimat..
Näyttää jo vähän kiihdytysautolta!
Teholukemat taisi olla jo aika huimat..
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SamiJ
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SaG0v6vkJA
In 1980 the Alfetta GTV Turbodelta was already homologated in FIA Group 4, since the required number of production cars had been built. A racing version was campaigned in rallies, but once more the effort was abandoned after a single season, despite scoring a win at the Danube Rally. In 1986 Alfa Romeo GTV6 was one of the fastest Group A rally cars. At the end of 1986 the FIA re-assessed the GTV6 homologation and found it to be unsuitable for Group A and it was moved into group B and subsequently banned from the sport.[8] After that Alfa Romeo turned its Group A racing and rallying efforts to the 75/Milano sedans, which were based on the same rear transaxle chassis. However, 1986 also saw the GTV6 post one of its finest rallying victories when Yves Loubet's example won the Group A in the tragic 1986 Tour de Corse and placed 3rd overall between Group B cars.
In 1980 the Alfetta GTV Turbodelta was already homologated in FIA Group 4, since the required number of production cars had been built. A racing version was campaigned in rallies, but once more the effort was abandoned after a single season, despite scoring a win at the Danube Rally. In 1986 Alfa Romeo GTV6 was one of the fastest Group A rally cars. At the end of 1986 the FIA re-assessed the GTV6 homologation and found it to be unsuitable for Group A and it was moved into group B and subsequently banned from the sport.[8] After that Alfa Romeo turned its Group A racing and rallying efforts to the 75/Milano sedans, which were based on the same rear transaxle chassis. However, 1986 also saw the GTV6 post one of its finest rallying victories when Yves Loubet's example won the Group A in the tragic 1986 Tour de Corse and placed 3rd overall between Group B cars.
Nordschleife
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neliveto-Golf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwwiMNwa0OE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwwiMNwa0OE&feature=related
Vämpylä
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BMW M1
Ne äänet! Ja muutenkin brutaalin näköistä kun tuollasta rata-auton näköstä peliä hypytetään asvalttipätkillä. Taisi myös pitää hetken aikaa maailman tehokkaimman ralliauton titteliä hallussaan silloin aikanaan, tai ainakin muistaakseni näin.
Ne äänet! Ja muutenkin brutaalin näköistä kun tuollasta rata-auton näköstä peliä hypytetään asvalttipätkillä. Taisi myös pitää hetken aikaa maailman tehokkaimman ralliauton titteliä hallussaan silloin aikanaan, tai ainakin muistaakseni näin.
ettelbruck
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Suomen ainoa ralli-G60 tais olla 1992 Teemu Tahkon ajama. Kaveri silloin sääti ns. 'katuautoaan' Teemun pajalla joten käytiin kyselemässä kuulumisia mm. Riihimäki rallin reitillä. Ei pitänyt Golfia erityisen kilpailukykyisenä ja ihmetteli luokituspapereiden omituisuuksia.
SamiJ:n mainitsemia GTV6-Alfoja ei Suomessa ralleissa ole tainnut olla? Radallahan tuollaisella ajoi Jammu Pekkala, oli ihan 'Alpilatten-tehdas-auto' ja oikeasti nopea peli. Jussi Kynsilehdolla oli suhteita Italian suuntaan?
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