Kimi Räikkönen kaudella 2010 - yksi teoria

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mikæl

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Uskolla murretaan vuoria, mukana ollaan :tongue:
 
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Muutan Bulgariaan maksamaan veroja, mikäli uutinen pitää paikkansa :p
 

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Kompataan uskovaisia. Kimi on McLarenin miehiä ensi kaudella! :ahem:
 

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Ei se kimi poika taida sitä sopparia saaha aikaiseksi. harmi.
 

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Joo, siitähän tässä on jo keskusteltu edellisissä viesteissä. Aika uskomaton tuo Ross Brawn. Olen käsittänyt, että Button ei pyydä mahdottomia ja silti ei saada sopimusta aikaan. Ei osoita kovin suurta arvostusta Buttonia kohtaan. Luulen, että Jenson on jo henkilökohtaisesti loukkaantunut ja haluaa toiseen talliin. Niinhän tuo manageri taisi sanoa, että tietyn rajan jälkeen ei kyse ole enää rahasta, vaan halutaanko sinut johonkin ja arvostetaanko.
 

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Jos se kuitenkin menisi sinne, niin kukas sitä Brawnia sitten ajaisi? Mielenkiintoista.
Jos sinne tulee Heidfeld eli kaksi sakemannia Brawnilla ja kaksi brittiä mäkillä.:p

Hauskaa. Brawn sanoi, että 99% todennäköisyydellä Button jää Brawnille ja Haug sanoi, että Button mäkille ei tule toteutumaan, pelkkää brittilehdistön unelmaa.:p
 

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aika paha. Nyt Kimillä ja Buttonilla sekä Hamiltonilla on sopparit McLarenille. Laittavatkohan pullonpyörityksellä yhden miehen Brawnille.
 

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Tuolla se nyt lukee ja ihan selkeästi käännettynä täällä :D :D :eek:

Edit... baapelin käännöskukasia Maklarn-Mertsedes, Raykonen, cabbage soup (mistähän tämänkin tuli?)

in England you to - Steve and Deyvid Of robrtsn SA they visited to Maklarn into Uoking after yes they will agree usloviyata on contract.

Eikun maikkarin lööppiin kohta. LOL.
 
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Kimi voisi vetää pelimiehen liikkeen ja mennä ajeleen Brawnilla, jos McLaren tosiaan ottaa Buttonin ennemmin...

Tai sitten pitää "välivuosi" ja odotella että Ferrari saa kolmannnen auton Schumille->joka ei aja, Kimi puikkoihin ja mestariks.

2011 sitten ajamaan rallia.

(Niin ja tämä viesti on todella tosissaan kirjoiteltu, varmaa tietoa):ahem:
 

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Googlella bulgariasta:

Finladetsat Kimi Raikkonen, who was pilot of the Ferrari over the last three years and won the world title in 2007 may compete for McLaren in the new season in Formula 1.
One of the most experienced pilots agreed to terminate his contract early with the Italian team and added that the only offer that would consider would be that of McLaren. Raikkonen 5 years competed for the British from 2002 to 2006.
According to the press in England managers Raikkonen - Steve and David Robertson have visited the McLaren headquarters in Woking to agree the terms of the contract.
Lewis Hamilton, who is a world champion in 2008, has a contract with McLaren until the end of season 2012. Another driver Heikki Kovalainen of the team is presented in a successful season having ended on 11th place, which is a reason to associate his compatriot. If you do not reach a deal with Raikkonen, Kovalainen might remain on the team.​

J Allen tilanteesta:


BUTTON AND MCLAREN OPT FOR A PIECE OF THEATRE
Posted on | November 14, 2009 | by James Allen
The latest turn of the wheel in the saga over where Jenson Button and Kimi Raikkonen will race next year is that Button and his manager, Richard Goddard visited McLaren’s Woking HQ yesterday.
In itself that is no great surprise, it sends out a message to Brawn that Button has options and McLaren are known to be good payers. For McLaren it sends out a signal to Raikkonen, whose manager also toured McLaren this week, to act now if he wants to stay in F1 in a competitive car and to be more realistic about his salary demands.
But what makes this far more interesting is that both McLaren and Button have decided to go the extra mile and make a media event out of it. Indeed one could almost say that they are rubbing Brawn’s and Raikkonen’s respective noses in it.

The Guardian’s Alan Henry, who is very close to McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh, has written a piece where McLaren are happily admitting that Button made the visit, “To say hello”, according to a team spokesman. The flippancy of this comment says it all about what is going on here.
Meanwhile Goddard has a much more focussed message to send to Brawn; that all this stonewalling over salary rises means Jenson does not feel “valued”. You can feel his pain, but this is an unsentimental business. Ross Brawn went on the radio this week to say that he couldn’t pay Button any more money, but that he was free to sign up some personal sponsors to make up the shortfall.
But Goddard seemed to be offering Brawn a last chance to change his mind, as his driver toured McLaren and tried to imagine himself wearing silver,
“I think it’s important that Jenson wants to feel valued in whatever situation he finds himself next season,” Goddard said. “He needs to explore all the feasible options. We’ve been talking about possible terms for 2010 with Brawn for months and we’re not being difficult or unreasonably expensive in our demands for Jenson. In fact we’ve given up quite a lot of negotiating ground in our discussions with them.”
According to the Guardian, Button is looking for a rise on the £4m deal he has on the table, which was based on the cut-price deal he accepted from Brawn this year. Brawn clearly doesn’t feel he’s worth it and that makes Button not feel “valued”
So how will Brawn react to this? He already has Nico Rosberg signed up for next year, with the full blessing of Mercedes. It would be interesting to know what Rosberg’s retainer is, particularly if it is higher than the sum on offer to Button.
Raikkonen is available, but if Brawn is counting the pennies then Raikkonen is another pay grade altogether. Rubens Barrichello has already moved on to Williams. There are other solid reliable drivers around, like Nick Heidfeld or Timo Glock, but is there another on Button’s level?
A move to McLaren would surely be a mistake for Button, as he would be up against Lewis Hamilton in a team which is not only built around him, but which is in awe of what he achieved this season with a poor car. Hamilton has undoubtedly grown substantially as a driver in 2009 and we will probably see the results of that next year.
Button won the world title this year, but by his own admission he lost it a bit in the second half of the season. Brawn are now making him pay for that fallibility.
So is this just showboating or are Button’s people serious? According to Alan Henry, McLaren has now made Button its prime target and demoted Raikkonen to number two with Heidfeld number three.
This situation is reaching its endgame. Button is threatening to take that cherished number one away from Brawn. There is also a Mercedes dynamic here as they are moving away from McLaren and towards Brawn. They have no say in the driver decisions, even if they have some influence. A little of this could be McLaren looking to give Brawn some pain for the way the Mercedes talks have gone.
Also having two world champions in your team underlines your status. McLaren are very keen at the moment to underline that they and Ferrari are the really big names in F1, they carry the weight. As McLaren steers towards a new future without Mercedes from 2012 onwards, keeping self esteem high and the sponsors happy right now is an important strategy. Button would do a far better job than Heikki Kovalainen, but would following Hamilton home everywhere do much for his career?
It’s up to Ross Brawn to make a revised offer or call Button’s bluff. He will have a pretty good idea from the data of how Button would match up to Hamilton. He is a real pragmatist and will not take any of this personally, even if he might be mildly annoyed by this latest move. He will do whatever suits his long-term objectives for the path down which he is taking his team with Mercedes for the future.​

London evening pelkäsi jo Buttonin puolesta:

Jenson Button could lose McLaren option

Jenson Button may have to settle for a cut-price pay deal at Brawn GP after it was revealed Kimi Raikkonen is close to joining McLaren.

The former Ferarri driver's representative, Steve Robertson, met McLaren principal Martin Whitmarsh at the team's HQ this week.

Button had been linked with McLaren but is now likely to have to accept the £6million offer from Brawn, £2m short of his demands.​

ja paddock veikkaa Räikköstä:

The likelihood of a return to McLaren for Kimi Raikkonen has stepped up a gear this week.


It is reported by ITV as well as the Evening Standard that the former Ferrari driver's managers met in recent days with McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh at the team's Woking headquarters.

The news is likely a blow to Jenson Button, because his negotiations for a bigger retainer at the Brawn team for 2009 were bolstered by McLaren's apparent interest in the new world champion.

Raikkonen, managed by father and son duo David and Steve Robertson, has also been at odds over money with his desired team for 2010.

"I've been racing for nine years in formula one now," the 30-year-old Finn wrote in his final blog for Ferrari.

"I still want to win races and titles, but I'll only stay in F1 if I can find a team that can guarantee me a car I can use to fight for victory.

"Let's see what will happen in the upcoming weeks," he added.​
 
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No nyt on Buttonkin vieraillut managerinsa kanssa Whitmarshin pakeilla ja brittilehdistö on laittamassa Jensonia Hamiltonin tallikaveriksi! kimi on Alan Henryn mielestä vasta kakkosvaihtoehto.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/13/jenson-button-mclaren-brawn

Otapa tästä nyt selvää...:confused:

Olen ajatellut, ettei Button uskaltaudu Hamiltonin tallikaveriksi, mutta ehkä olen väärässä.
Taitaa sekä Buttonilla että Briteillä olla liian suuret luulot nyt Buttonista. Voi toki olla että McLaren Buttonin palkkaa, mutta tarkoitan tät asennetta.
 

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Button mäcille, jolloin saadaan britit tyytyväiseksi ja Button saa kaipaamansa palkankorotuksen ja McLaren säästää kasapäin rahaa verrattuna siihen, että palkkaisivat Kimin. Sitten vielä Heidi Brawnille, jolloin mersu saa tulevaan nimikkotiimiinsä saksalaisen kuskikaksikon ja Brawn säästää rahaa kun Heidi ajaa halvemmalla kuin Button. Win-win tilanne ja kaikki ovat tyytyväisiä, paitsi tietysti suomalaiset, jotka joutuvat katselemaan Heikin rämpimistä pikkutallin autolla jossain takarivissä. Kimihän on jo ilmoittanut ettei häntä kiinnosta muu kuin McLaren ja kun se paikka menee Buttonille, niin ei auta muuta kuin lopettaa ura ykkösissä kunniakkaasti Ferrarilta saatuihin potkuihin. ;)

Omassa päässä kehiteltyä, jolloin luotettavuusarvo on vähintään kertaluokkaa parempi kuin jotkin uutislähteet. :frank:

Edit: jos tämä toteutuu, niin riipasen kyllä sellaset kaatokännit pettymykseen että herään vasta ekan kisan aika-ajoihin. :mad:
 
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Vaikka Kimi tekisikin jotain muuta ja Heikin keskimääräinen lähtöruutu 2010 olisi pikkutallissa 23, yhtä mielenkiinnolla seuraisin silti. Oh yes :ahem:
(samalla iloinen terveemmästä automäärästä)
 

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Omassa päässä kehiteltyä, jolloin luotettavuusarvo on vähintään kertaluokkaa parempi kuin jotkin uutislähteet. :frank:
Alkaa tuntumaan siltä, että nämä omassa päässa kehitellyt jutut on yhtä luotettavia kuin uutislähteistä luetut. Niin paljon tilanteet muuttuu koko ajan ja tallipäälliköt puhuu pehmeitä lämpimikseen.:p
 
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